Better by Association Podcast

Every now and then, you hear from someone whose career leaves you wondering, "How has one person done all of that?"

In this month's Better by Association, hosts Steven Stout, FASAE, CAE, and Katy Jo Markert sit down with Charles Smitherman, PhD, JD, MSt, CAE, CEO of APRO, for a conversation that's equal parts insightful and entertaining.Charles shares fresh perspectives on leadership, advocacy, the future of AI, and how associations can position themselves as trusted sources in a rapidly changing world.

Plus, catch Charles as one of our breakout session speakers at TSAE's New Ideas 2026 Conference in Galveston this September!🎧 Listen to the latest episode of Better by Association here: https://bit.ly/4vRuPJ3